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How much work is your warehouse doing that never makes it onto an invoice?
60New episode
What Happened vs. What’s Happening: Closing the 3PL Billing Gap
With Alon Partuk
Founder & CEO, Octup · Intelligence that changes the 3PL playbook
Alon Partuk raised $2.5 million for his own brand, then watched orders get checked off by hand on paper. He built Octup to sit on top of the WMS and help 3PLs find the money that gets lost between the warehouse floor and the invoice.
In this episode
- Why a WMS shows what happened, but not what’s happening or why it matters.
- The three places 3PLs leak billing: value-added services, storage and contracts.
- How capturing manual work by QR code, voice note or photo adds almost 20% more billable events.
- Why there are so many WMS vendors, and why about every third client is looking to move.
- Why 3PLs are turning into one-stop shops, and what that does to their systems.
- Why transparency builds trust with clients instead of inviting scrutiny.
- What AI agents can do for a 3PL leader day to day, and why they need good data first.
- Alon’s founder lessons: work with clients from day one, and fail fast.
Not making a decision is much worse than try and fail.
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59Career
Anthony Allen
Founder & Managing Director, Supply Chain Talent Advisors · Executive search
Anthony Allen started on a warehouse floor in the mid-90s and now recruits supply chain leaders for a living. He tells job seekers why they’re getting ghosted, tells hiring managers why they can’t find “good” people, and explains why scar tissue beats years of service.
In this episode
- Recruiters work for the company, not the candidate, and why about 75% of Anthony’s searches are never posted.
- How to beat AI resumes and applicant tracking systems: lead with numbers, not job descriptions.
- “Define good”: the question hiring teams skip, and how candidates can ask it at the end of the interview.
- Scar tissue vs. years of service: why the 2:00 a.m. call says more than the pedigree.
- Paying below the market rate, and why that seat opens up again in six months.
- Why director-level roles are among the hardest hires, and why big-company talent can flop at smaller shops.
- Recruiting activity vs. progress, and why about 90% of his placements this year came through relationships.
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58Consultants
Andy Paulson
Founder, Warehouse Performance Group · Labor management
Andy Paulson has been part of LMS rollouts at hundreds of distribution centers. By his count, only about 1 in 10 hit a home run. He and Ben hash out what separates those sites from everyone else — and it isn’t the software.
In this episode
- Why an LMS is a tool, not a program, and why most rollouts stall.
- The foundation to fix first: supervisor roles, floor time and the “one best way.”
- What executives must do before handing it to the ops team (one site’s overtime goal was worth $800K a year).
- The unsung KPI: direct vs. indirect hours, and the 17 minutes a day that can cost a 100-person building $250K a year.
- Pay for performance done right: self-funding, with a Coca-Cola bottler running 50–100% more productive.
- No budget? How to get real gains with your WMS data, payroll and good old Excel.
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57Software & Tech
Cathleen Turner
Founder & CEO, Margin · Start-up spotlight
Billing cycle issues and cash flow sagas are common thorns in the side of 3PLs — but they don’t have to be part of doing business. Cathleen has seen it from both sides of the fence, and shares what it’s really like being an entrepreneur.
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56Software & Tech
Wes Coleman
Industry Principal for Warehousing, Zebra Technologies
36 years in and around the industry, and a lot to say about real operational excellence.
- User acceptance now sits above throughput, quality and efficiency. Retention changed the math.
- Bolting good tech onto a bad process only makes things worse. Fix the process first.
- You don’t have to fully automate — augment one small piece of a process at a time.
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55Safety
Brian Fielkow
EVP, Acrisure · former CEO, Jetco Delivery · author of “Making Safety Happen”
- Why safety should never be a “priority” — priorities shift, core values don’t.
- How the C-suite sets the tone for safety culture (and why they can’t delegate it).
- The football helmet analogy: PPE is your last line of defense, not your first.
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54Leadership
Ben Green
COO, TrailPath Workplace Solutions
Technology and leadership are often treated as two separate things. That’s shifting. Floor leads gotta know:
- Who needs my attention, and where should I focus?
- When should I coach — and when should I step back?
- Habits shape behavior. Behavior shapes results.
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53Robotics
Pete Allen
Managing Partner, Birch Advisors
Many companies seek Pete out for strategies on integrating and growing robotics and automation.
- Robotics and humans: an “either/or” or an “and also”?
- What ops leaders should focus on to build the warehouse of the future.
- Which operations get the most from robotics — and how to minimize the risk.
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52Robotics
Mike Bearman
Chief Legal & Safety Officer, Vecna Robotics
Robotics are everywhere in distribution. But what do you really need to know about whether they’re right for your operation?
- Why many warehouse automation projects fail to deliver on their original expectations.
- Key do’s and don’ts — and why AI should never be responsible alone for warehouse safety.
- The “inside scoop” questions to ask a possible vendor.
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51On the road
Mike Field
Chief Operations Officer, Toyota Material Handling North America
The Warehouse Underground hit the road for the opening of Toyota Material Handling North America’s new 295,000 sq ft manufacturing facility in Columbus, Indiana — a $100M investment bringing 140 new jobs. More than 1 in 3 forklifts sold in the US is made by them.
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